2005-11-24

Lossless notation for CJ stems

Quick notes mainly for myself in the form of examples.

  • V-verb: mi, ke

  • C-verb: omoh, sak
    • exceptions: ar.i, nar.i, etc.
  • D-verb: sug/i, uk/e, r/ar/e (る/らる)
    • exceptions: sin/0, ku, su (easier just to use the accepted names)
  • L-adjective: kanasik.i, yorosik.i (there aren't any short-stem adjectives that end in -sik, are there?)

  • M-adjective: yok.i, akak.i (M is for "mijikai", preferred over S because it comes right after L)
    • The .i business is to avoid confusion between these and C-verbs. It can be left off where context makes it clear that we're talking about adjectives.
  • X-verb (?): X:z (じ), X:ras (らし)

  • XD-verb (?): X:mas/e (まし), X:s/e (完了「き」)
    • The X: business is for the same reason as the .i business above. It's an extremely ugly way to go about things, but since there are very few X-verbs to worry about, I don't care.
Also:
  • Reorganize auxes by what they attach to (stem, MZ, RY, SS, other)
  • Move sim (しむ) to the stem group with the other causatives

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IbaDaiRon:

Is rasi really best considered a verb? It's invariant in form (after the Nara alternative RT rasiki fades away, of course) and never becomes a base for further expansion, right? I think the "Altgrammatiker" simply assumed the existence of identical but independent RT/IZ forms based on kakari-musubi.

Anyway, to help out a bit, of the "Type 2" Aux's in the Iwanami table, tamahu, mausu, tatematuru and saburahu are C-verbs, kikoyu is a D and haberi an ari-type.

(I'm still worrying over suppletion...)


Anonymous:

If nothing else, these Japanesey postnings got me to dig out my XP dvd and install the full set of fonts and stuff. (Why it isn't on by default I can't imagine.)

DvB


Matt:

If not a verb, what? A particle? That would make things a lot easier, actually. (Especially if we can get rid of ji too.)


IbaDaiRon:

A particle works for me!

Especially if we can get rid of ji too.

Well, my experience with ji is rather limited; people who spend a good portion of the day sitting do have problems with the various forms, though, so a solution would be nice!

I'll assume you and Azuma will know more (Boragi Noll any good?), but from what I can see it always occurs at the end. Of a sentence. If so, I see no reason to treat it differently than rasi.

(Sorry...guess I should clean up my act, seeing how Hat has been so kind as to direct traffic our way!)


Matt:

Better way of doing the adjectives:

yo.kyoro.si.k

(because that's what they ARE.)


Matt:

Deep weirdness that this causes:

得 = 0/e

Yes, its consonant stem is nothing at all!

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